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SRam19
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Messier the Greatest Canucks Captain Joined: 02.12.2015
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I think it's safe to say he will probably lead the league in Wins. Which really shouldn't matter so much, but it does to voters.
C'mon adam, you know that wins always matter. Without wins all those other stats are complete crap. |
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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: under the bridge Joined: 10.05.2015
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Tonybere
New York Rangers |
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Location: ON Joined: 02.04.2016
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Steve Mason - YuenglingJagr
Who was the last Vesina winner to not make the playoffs? |
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BestRapperAlive
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: OEL is one of the greatest players of his generation - James Tanner Joined: 06.21.2012
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C'mon adam, you know that wins always matter. Without wins all those other stats are complete crap. - SRam19
Results don't matter
-James Tanner |
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BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes |
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Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK Joined: 09.21.2009
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Who was the last Vesina winner to not make the playoffs? - Tonybere
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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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MURRAY! muahahahahah
It's hard to not pick the obvious: Bobrovsky or Holtby. If it's anyone other than that I'll be shocked... well, I guess I wouldn't be totally shocked if it's Dubnyk. |
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Tonybere
New York Rangers |
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Location: ON Joined: 02.04.2016
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- BINGO!
Can never tell with Flyers fans! |
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I'm going to go off the board here and pick Tampa's own Peter Budaj. |
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DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: NYC, NY Joined: 04.29.2016
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I'm going to go off the board here and pick Tampa's own Peter Budaj. - verwustung
Banská Bystrica's own Peter Budaj? |
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Banská Bystrica's own Peter Budaj? - DeflatedPucks
No, I can't even pronounce that. |
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Blue Clam
St Louis Blues |
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Location: Ottawa, ON Joined: 07.16.2009
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C'mon adam, you know that wins always matter. Without wins all those other stats are complete crap. - SRam19
To an extent every conventional goalie stat is a team stat, but none more so than wins. |
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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To an extent every conventional goalie stat is a team stat, but none more so than wins. - Blue Clam
GSAA accounts for the amount of goals you saved above average goaltending based on the difficulty of shots you faced. |
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PancakesPenner
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 04.20.2012
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GSAA accounts for the amount of goals you saved above average goaltending based on the difficulty of shots you faced. - Feds91Stammer
Out of curiousity, how is difficulty determined? Simply shot location, or does shot type, screens, tips, etc come into the equation? |
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Blue Clam
St Louis Blues |
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Location: Ottawa, ON Joined: 07.16.2009
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GSAA accounts for the amount of goals you saved above average goaltending based on the difficulty of shots you faced. - Feds91Stammer
I tried to look up the "adjusted save percentages" from http://war-on-ice.com/ but they shut down when I wasn't looking. That still had it's flaws but was certainly an improvement over SV%.
Isn't GSAA basically just an extrapolation of SV%? My understanding is it's just comparing a goalies SV% to the average goalie SV%, and then converting the difference into goals based on shots faced.
Shot quality seems to be essential in determining the value of a goalie but I don't see a good way to determine shot quality other than having some guy watching and grading every save and goal against. I'm sure someone will eventually come out with something that can account for shot location, power, traffic, placement, tips, etc, etc. Until then the best goalie in the league on any given year may be far behind in terms of W,GAA,SV%,SO, and won't finish well in Vezina voting. |
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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Out of curiousity, how is difficulty determined? Simply shot location, or does shot type, screens, tips, etc come into the equation? - PancakesPenner
Location because data has shown that is the most important thing to evaluate in terms of shots. |
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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I tried to look up the "adjusted save percentages" from http://war-on-ice.com/ but they shut down when I wasn't looking. That still had it's flaws but was certainly an improvement over SV%.
Isn't GSAA basically just an extrapolation of SV%? My understanding is it's just comparing a goalies SV% to the average goalie SV%, and then converting the difference into goals based on shots faced.
Shot quality seems to be essential in determining the value of a goalie but I don't see a good way to determine shot quality other than having some guy watching and grading every save and goal against. I'm sure someone will eventually come out with something that can account for shot location, power, traffic, placement, tips, etc, etc. Until then the best goalie in the league on any given year may be far behind in terms of W,GAA,SV%,SO, and won't finish well in Vezina voting. - Blue Clam
I use Corsica and to my knowledge location is provided in the pxp by each arena's stats person. Corsica uses a data scraper to convert this into data and of course you want to use venue adjusted numbers to account for arena bias. |
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Blue Clam
St Louis Blues |
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Location: Ottawa, ON Joined: 07.16.2009
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I use Corsica and to my knowledge location is provided in the pxp by each arena's stats person. Corsica uses a data scraper to convert this into data and of course you want to use venue adjusted numbers to account for arena bias. - Feds91Stammer
Alright, that's a lot like the stat war-on-ice was generating. The issue of course is that there are going to be outliers on both sides, goalies whose HDSA's ( or LDSA/MDSA) are much harder or easier than the average, which will inflate or deflate their GSAA accordingly. It's a step in the right direction though.
I'm assuming here that shot quality against is solely based on the origin of the shot, not whether or not the shooter puts the puck into the goalies chest, versus low blocker, or any of the other variables that come into play like having Holmstrom sitting on you. |
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